Lurker > Mr Lasastryke

no dude, assad is a fantastic president because the syrians love him. </vlado>
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azuarc posted...

I've taken a fairly relaxed stance on the matter of licensed music, even though that situation suffers from the same thorns that this one does, and the consequences of opening the door too wide are far greater.

what IS your stance on licensed music? could i nominate out of touch by hall & oates because it was used in GTA: vice city?
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yeah, that's true. i guess "patriotism" is indeed closer to my beliefs.
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yeah i didn't mean to come off as accusatory. just had to say something when i bumped this topic >_>
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Vlado posted...

you not only love your nation, but also consider the other nations inferior.

well, that is my stance so that sounds about right >_>

according to wikipedia chauvinism is an extreme form of patriotism, though, not nationalism.
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Vlado posted...

Yes, I remember that. I'm wrong to lump you in with the others... Do you think nationalism is bad, and why?

thank you for admitting you were wrong on this. i wouldn't say i'm a nationalist but i'm not entirely sure why, to be perfectly honest. i think my country is the best country in the world, but the word "nationalism" just has a militant aroma to it that i dislike, and obviously it has the unfortunate association with nazism. i'd prefer to say i'm a "chauvinist" (though that doesn't fully describe my views either).
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Vlado posted...

I never claimed Ron Paul was a Trump fan? Plus, I already commented on that the first time it was posted. Ron Paul is not wrong. His words, however, are poorly reflected in the title of the video, which was put there by a brainless anti-Trumper.

lol, you're still going with this pathetic excuse for an argument? "the title is wrong, ron paul isn't bashing trump at all!" go watch the video again, it's only 60 seconds. he's clearly bashing trump.

Evidence? The main divide in the world today is nationalism vs. globalism. If you are against nationalism, which you obviously are, that means you support globalism.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/black-or-white

as i told you before i literally voted for an anti-EU party in the european election, yet i'm still a "globalism fanboy" because i'm not a nationalist?
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neither have you ever, EVER commented when i asked you for evidence that any of the people attacking you are "globalism fanboys," while i'm at it.
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also, you haven't commented on the video i posted where ron paul bashed trump into the ground so stop whining about people "not commenting."
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what the fuck are us "globalism fanboys" supposed to comment?

"there are key facts about the russian actions that are still not well understood. but i'm not telling you what they are." ok then.
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Vlado posted...

Technicalities don't change the facts.

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it's next week now.
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Two Days Ago: When No One Was No One (from Guitar)


This Frank guitar solo was excerpted from a performance of "Zoot Allures" from the '82 tour. Note that from about 1:30 on, Frank - again - plays some "Sheik Yerbouti Tango" licks (I wouldn't call this solo a full blown "Sheik Yerbouti Tango" solo, though).
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Three Days Ago: The Sheik Yerbouti Tango (from Sheik Yerbouti)


Here's "The Sheik Yerbouti Tango," which I mentioned in my previous post. Note the similarity between some of the licks Frank plays here and the ones he plays in "Bowling on Charen" (especially in the first minute or so of that track). This guitar solo was excerpted from a performance of "Little House I Used to Live in."
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Four Days Ago: Bowling on Charen (from Trance-Fusion)


OK, so here's a description of the structure of the six versions of "Wild Love" on Halloween 77 (this is going to get a bit confusing, apologies for that). First the song is played as it is on Sheik Yerbouti, with minor differences: after the line "But that's the way it goes sometimes," there's no "That's the way!" exclamation. (Sidenote: with all the mocking of disco Frank was doing during this era, could this exclamation be a reference to "That's the Way [I Like It]" by KC and the Sunshine Band? I dunno, I was just reminded of this song.) Then we get into the solo section. In the solo section, we first get a Peter Wolf keyboard solo, then a Tommy Mars keyboard solo, then an Ed Mann marimba solo (at least I think it's a marimba; it doesn't quite sound like a vibraphone). Then, unfortunately, we always get the only low point of these jams: Terry Bozzio starts playing a quite simple 4/4 rock groove over which Adrian Belew gets to take a guitar solo. While Adrian solos, Terry beats this very boring groove to death. In this song Adrian's solos always start off sounding very spacey and King Crimson-ish, with lots of pedal effects, and then get into more regular rock territory. Adrian's playing is not bad at all, but obviously suffers from Bozzio's terrible rhythmic support (not blaming him; obviously Frank told him to play the groove and not deviate from it but for what reason, we'll probably never know). Luckily, things get better when the solo section concludes with a Frank guitar solo, and this is where this "Bowling on Charen" track starts (taken from the 10/28 early show). For this solo, we basically get a prototype version of what would later become "Yo' Mama." Terry plays the slow drum beat that would later appear at the start of "Yo' Mama," and over this Frank plays his solo. For his solo, Frank sort of plays what he would later title "The Sheik Yerbouti Tango." While the solo is obviously not over a tango groove, he plays dissonant licks that would later appear on the Sheik Yerbouti track (which was performed on the first '78 tour), and variations thereon. After awhile - at the 1:12 point in "Bowling on Charen" - the band starts playing the two-chord vamp that appears in the Sheik Yerbouti version of "Yo' Mama" as the third vamp Frank's guitar solo is over, after the spacey part and the one-chord part. Note that this transition to this two-chord vamp only happens in the first four versions of "Wild Love" on Halloween 77; for some reason they never make it to the second vamp in the last two versions, so the Frank solos in those versions are over just one vamp. In comparison to the "Wild Love" solo as it appears on Halloween 77, there's a bunch of stuff cut from the solo as it appears in the "Bowling on Charen" track. After Frank's solo, the main melodies from "Wild Love" are played through once more (without vocals), and then the song segues into "Titties & Beer."

The full versions of "Wild Love" on Halloween 77 are definitely worth hearing, containing some fine solos by Frank and his bandmates.
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Five Days Ago: Wild Love (from Sheik Yerbouti)


There's six new versions of this song on Halloween 77. This particular performance, from the first '78 tour, actually ended with an Adrian Belew guitar solo that Frank left on the cutting room floor. On this tour "Wild Love" always contained an Adrian solo and possibly solos by other band members, depending on the show. From what I've heard they're good versions, but not as epic as the six versions that appear on Halloween 77.

I'll talk more about the Halloween 77 versions of "Wild Love" in my next post. For now, I'll just mention that I've read that this performance (from the final date of the tour, like the version of "Pound for a Brown" I discussed in post #88) originally started with the lines "Many well dressed negroes/And several Caucasians/Are fighting quite a bit." If that's true, Frank apparently wasn't happy with these lyrics and overdubbed different lyrics for the Sheik Yerbouti version.
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LeonhartFour posted...

because it's still video game music

when it doesn't appear in a video game, is it video game music?
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ChampionCloud posted...

Not having a border is dissolution of country....

uh... no?

there's open borders between the states, right? does that mean there's a "dissolution of states"?
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Vlado posted...

In any case, this is the treatment pedophiles must receive by society, which is the important part in this conversation.

except roy moore
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SmartMuffin posted...

I'm sure he does "have an opinion." But your own personal opinion isn't always infallible, even if you are the President. CEOs ask advice from their junior executives all the time, as well as their personal friends and contacts. That doesn't mean they "have no opinion," it just means they want more information, more points of view - they entertain the possibility that they might be wrong.

that's fair, though i'm not sure what kind of information trump thinks he's going to get by asking this question. the issue of gun control has already been debated to death, so if he has been paying attention he should be aware of all the possible stances and arguments.
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pretty sure the point is that he's asking for advice on a fundamental issue he's expected to have an opinion on as president. it's not like he's asking scientists to give him information on climate change (which would indeed be commendable, and it's also something trump is never, ever going to do). it would be like if he went "so guys, what exactly should my stance on abortion be??" (it wouldn't surprise me if he actually did ask this question, given that he changed his stance on abortion 26 times.)

the other noteworthy thing is that he's only NOW asking for advice - like, did he think gun control wasn't an important issue before and the florida shooting brought it to his attention? it's like how he sent missiles to syria just because ivanka was crying about it. to me they seem like random, impulsive actions by a guy who doesn't know what to do, not "brilliant moves by a president who governs like a CEO."
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Vlado posted...

Ah, so the father should've waited for his child to be raped instead of acting on mere suspicion?

yeah, this is 100% what i said in that post. </sarcasm>
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Vlado posted...

Happy President's Day! :)

Second year with a good president for US after decades of duds.

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Vlado posted...

Oh hey, I was right all along. Good thing you admit it.

no, you're not. wanting to rape someone isn't the same as being a rapist. we don't live in the world of minority report, where planning on committing a crime is as bad as actually having committed the crime.
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Espeon posted...

If sending a dick pic to a child implies a desire to commit child rape (and I think it does, for the record), then wouldnt sending an e-mail about collusion with the Russian government to someone you thought was working for the Russian government imply a desire to collide with the Russian government?

not only does sending a dick pic to a child imply a desire to commit child rape, it literally makes you a child rapist, according to vlado. so using his logic, don jr. collided with the russian government just because he sent that e-mail.
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every time i see grown adults use words like "cuck" or "kekistan" i cringe.
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sex, obviously.
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i do feel like he became an alt-right edgelord at some point.
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v_charon posted...

In 2005 he still wanted to bang a 7 foot tall asian underwear model.

pretty globalist for a bulgarian tbqh
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together forever was really big. obviously youngsters who only know rick astley from the memes won't know it but yeah.

he also had some singles that apparently were only hits in europe (like whenever you need somebody).
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Vlado posted...

lmfao, imagine being such a pedo apologist.

lmao. in addition to what GMUN posted, getting called a "pedo apologist" by the guy who keeps insisting that roy moore is 100% innocent is fucking rich.

What does a guy who sends dick pics to a child want to meet the child in person for?

spoilers: sending a dick pic isn't rape.

Keep telling yourself that. I've had nationalistic views since at least 2005.

no you haven't. in 2005 you were a communist, not a nationalist.
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Vlado posted...

Haven't seen Paul's stance on child rapists,

if you send creepy messages to a child you're automatically a "child rapist" now? pretty impressive how you can be so harsh to this guy while you're still passionately defending roy moore.

but more importantly, I am my own person with my own views.

no you're not. your views are just what trump/milo//molyneux/the alt-right tells you they should be.
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/965202556204003328

uh...
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Vlado posted...

"Aggression" is the least someone who tries to rape your child deserves.

once again you prove you don't actually give a flying fuck about ron paul or his ideas.
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next week it is, i guess.
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Four Days Ago: I Promise Not to Come in Your Mouth (from Zappa in New York)


There's six new versions of this tune on Halloween 77. They sound pretty similar to this version, though obviously they're not played by a huge ensemble like this version is. Also, Eddie Jobson obviously wasn't in the band during the Halloween 77 shows. Peter Wolf is the person who gets to take on the keyboard solo in place of him in the newly released versions.
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Five Days Ago: Envelopes (from Ship Arriving Too Late to Save a Drowning Witch)


Not a big fan of this tune, so I didn't care much for there being six new official versions of this on Halloween 77. They are vocal versions (with Tommy Mars doing the singing), but we already had an official vocal version on Hammersmith Odeon, so that aspect doesn't add much either. Oh well, not all of the newly released material can be gold, I guess.
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Six Days Ago: Prelude to the Afternoon of a Sexually Aroused Gas Mask (from Weasels Ripped My Flesh)


This is an example of the "Gas Mask" stuff I described in the previous post. Note that Frank usually just called these improvisations "Gas Mask." The "Prelude to etc." stuff is a parody of the title of "Prelude to the Afternoon of the Fawn" by Claude Debussy.
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Seven Days Ago: Pound for a Brown (from Hammersmith Odeon)


OK, before I talk about this version, let's discuss the "Pound" versions on Halloween 77 for some context. For the first three shows, the tune starts with the theme as it always appears in every version ever. Then there's a short, new composed section (this section actually sounds beautiful). Then we get the solo section. First Tommy Mars takes a (scat-enhanced) keyboard solo, then Peter Wolf takes a keyboard solo. Then the tune segues into the next song. For the last three shows, Patrick O'Hearn actually gets the chance to play a bass solo in the solo section before the number proceeds as normal with the Tommy and Peter solos. Finally, on the final show of the album (10/31), after the Patrick/Tommy/Peter solos, special guest Roy Estrada joins the band for the rest of the performance. I'm not sure if I should still count this as a part of "Pound"; on the album it's listed as a separate track, called "The Demise of the Imported Rubber Goods Mask." Anyway, this part features Roy doing a "Gas Mask" routine, doing faux operatic singing for the most part while the band improvises the accompaniment. For clarity's sake, in the late '60s the title "Gas Mask" referred to any part of the show that had Roy singing/screaming/laughing maniacally/making weird noises while the rest of the Mothers improvised the music behind him.

Now, while this version sounds pretty similar to the ones from Halloween 77, there are some major differencees. In this version the main theme is played as normally and then we get into the solo section - unfortunately, the beatiful short new section of composed music before the solo section I mentioned above has been dropped for this tour. In the solo section we first get an Ed Mann vibraphone solo. I've done some research and it turns out that an Ed solo only started appearing very late in the tour (this performance is from the final date of the tour) - it was not part of the normal procedure. Usually, the tune would only consist of the main theme and solos by the two keyboardists (no Patrick bass solo). (This is the best Ed solo - be it on vibraphone or any other instrument - I've ever heard, BTW. Lengthy but continually interesting, with excellent support from the rhythm section.) After Ed is done we get a great Peter keyboard solo. Then something weird happens - the band does some free improvisation (this sounds way more like a '60s Mothers improvisation than something this '78 band would play) and Patrick does a (partially inaudible in this mix) improvised routine, starting with the exclamation: "Hail Caesar!" (CC: "Emperor of Ohio" from YCDTOSA Vol. 6 contains the phrase "Hail Caesar! Emperor of Ohio!", but this does not turn into a full blown routine.) After this, we finally get a (rather subdued) Tommy solo, sporadically interspersed with Patrick continuing his routine. Then the track ends.

At 20+ minutes, this is probably the longest version of "Pound" I have ever heard (I'm sure Frank played longer ones over the years, though). It's also one of the best ones I've ever heard. The first half (roughly), with the Ed and Peter solos, is by far the best one. I'm not as fond of the free improvisation section and the Tommy solo, but these things are definitely worth hearing as well.
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Eight Days Ago: Pound for a Brown (from Zappa in New York [CD version])


There's six new versions of "Pound for a Brown" on Halloween 77 (though two of these versions partially appeared in the Baby Snakes movie), which all are a lot better than this particular version. Unfortunately this is still the only "Pound" PLASTICDADA ever uploaded in all these years. That being said, this version isn't bad either, with Frank playing a good guitar solo.
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Song of Two Hundred Fifty-Nine Days Ago: City of Tiny Lites (from Hammersmith Odeon)


Now this version contains a great Frank "City" guitar solo from this period.
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Song of Two Hundred Sixty Days Ago: City of Tiny Lites (from Sheik Yerbouti)


There's six new versions of "City of Tiny Lites" on Halloween 77 (though two of these versions partially appeared in the Baby Snakes movie). Pretty nice, as I love Frank's guitar solos in this song from this era. No, they're not the epic solos over the Carlos Santana Secret Chord Progression that occurred in this song in the '80s, but the late '70s vamp is great and inspired Frank to play some very rocking, headbanging solos. Unfortunately the solo in this particular version isn't that great - it's ridiculously short.

Speaking of short solos, I read that there was stuff cut out from Frank's "City" solo from the first show on Halloween 77. Not sure why the heck Ahmet and Joe Travers did that - why not just release the six shows uncut?
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Song of Two Hundred Sixty-One Days Ago: Tryin' to Grow a Chin (from Sheik Yerbouti)


Who's thrilled about there being five new official versions of this song on Halloween 77? (Note that one of them was already released on YCDTOSA Vol. 6*, so that's why I said five rather than six.) I know I am! (Kidding aside, at least the YCDTOSA Vol. 1 version was worth being released. That one has Denny Walley on vocals, so at least it sounds different from all the other officially released versions.)

* Comparing the YCDTOSA Vol. 6 version to the Halloween 77 version, I must say the Halloween 77 mix isn't as good, unfortunately. Particularly Terry Bozzio's drums sound clearer on the Stage version.
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Song of Two Hundred Sixty-Two Days Ago: The Torture Never Stops (from You Can't Do That on Stage Anymore Vol. 1)


Uploaded a few months ago by PLASTICDADA. (Actually, this version already existed on YouTube so this upload isn't that revolutionary, but still!)

Another full version of "Torture" from the first '78 tour. This version probably contains the best "Torture" Frank guitar solo I've ever heard.

Not sure why Frank didn't edit in a different performance for the pre-solo composed part, though. There's obviously some pretty bad feedback issues going on!
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Song of Two Hundred Sixty-Three Days Ago: The Torture Never Stops (from Hammersmith Odeon)


A full version of "Torture," from the same tour "Rat Tomago" was excerpted from. Contains another great Frank guitar solo.
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Song of Two Hundred Sixty-Four Days Ago: Rat Tomago (from Sheik Yerbouti)


There's six new versions of "The Torture Never Stops" on Halloween 77. This Frank guitar solo was excerpted from a version of "Torture" from the first '78 tour (which featured the same band as the one on Halloween 77). Not the lengthiest solo Frank played in this song but a great solo nonetheless.

I only recently read what the title means: Ahmet revealed that when he was little he was drawing a picture, Frank asked him what it was, and he replied "a rat tomago." I guess we can add "stuff Frank's kids told him when they were little that appeared in his music" to the list of CC clues. Other examples of this are "T'Mershi Duween," "Moggio" and "Chana in de Bushwop."
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Vlado posted...

Despite people like you, parents like these give me hope for the world.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/02/17/father-pretends-to-be-11-year-old-daughter-to-find-and-attack-sexual-harasser.html

lol, and you pretend to "love ron paul." ever heard of the non-agression principle?
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SmartMuffin posted...

And whenever the right says it is, the left freaks out and says "NOBODY WANTS TO MAKE GUNS ILLEGAL STOP USING SUCH A STUPID STRAW MAN!!!"

i've seen part of the left say they should be illegal, though. some of the leftists on the board were saying that in the wake of the shooting.

as for the ones who don't want to make them illegal, yeah, not sure what their solution is.

(my own solution would be "there probably is no solution," for what it's worth.)
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first of all, why is beck in quotation marks?

second of all, people know way more than 4 prince songs.

don't think there are more than 3 zappa songs "everyone knows," though, and even 3 is generous. valley girl is the obvious one, but how many people are there really who know peaches and dancin' fool?
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TheRock1525 posted...

I'm kinda wishing Vlado would just go back to loving up Ron Paul, because Paul is actually a principled man who believes in things that Vlado actually says he wants to believe in instead of the things Trump believes in which is just garbage.

C'mon, Vlado! You can do it!

unfortunately vlado's ""love for ron paul"" doesn't mean anything.

when i pointed out that paul bashed trump in a youtube video, vlado said absolutely nothing in response other than "ron paul didn't choose the title of the video," as if the title somehow changed the content.
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